In article <562iqt$jpr@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, Alan \"Uncle Al\" SchwartzReturn to Topwrote: >Mark_Stenhoff@msn.com (Mark Stenhoff) wrote: >>I would very much appreciate information concerning the following for >>serious research purposes: >>· ball lightning events, especially recent events/those involving >>traces or damage >>· ball lightning publications >>· meetings and conferences concerning ball lightning. >>Many thanks for your help, >> >>Mark Stenhoff >> >>(Mark_Stenhoff@msn.com) > >One would imagine "ball lightning" suffers the same problem as putting >hair on a sphere: Unless all the filaments (field lines) are orthogonal >to the surface there must be at least one singularity. Define singularity in this context, Al. Surely it is none of the below in your mind, right? singularity n., pl. -ties 1. the state, fact, or quality of being singular. 2. a singular, unusual, or unique quality or thing; peculiarity. 3. a point at which a mathematical function of real or complex variables is not differentiable or analytic. 4. a region of infinite density, as in a black hole. -- C. Cagle SingTech
> The mathematics literature even up to this date, is horribly lacking > in any elementary discussions of p-adics, what they are, how to > multiply and divide with them. There strange characteristics. Why this > lack? The answer is that noone but me ever thought they were anything > more than a extension. I am the first to realize that they are the > Naturals themselves, and that the Finite Integers were a field of > ghosts, or angels that fit on the end of a needle. > Jean Pierre Serre has a book called "A Course in Arithmetic" where he speaks of many of the elementary properties of p-adic integers. This book, I think, is something of a standard in the subject.Return to Top
InReturn to TopDarrin Edwards writes: > >odessey2@ix.netcom.com(Allen Meisner) writes: > >> Please bear with me. Light itself is the absolute reference frame. >> Light is the priveleged observer and the preferred reference frame. >> With light you can determine if you are absolutely at rest. Now, you >> say that you can arbitrarily name bouy one or buoy two as the absolute >> reference frame. However, both coordinate systems will give you the >> exact same velocity, in both direction and magnitude, for an object >> moving in space whether you calculate that velocity relative to the >> first buoy or the second buoy. The calculated velocity is therefore >> absolute, since it does not matter which coordinate system you use. >> >> Regards, >> Edward Meisner >> > >This is true if you assume that buoys 1 and 2 are at rest with respect to >each other; notice, though, that Peter never claimed that. > >Imagine that buoy 2 is moving with a velocity of +10 (insert your favorite >velocity units) with respect to buoy 1. In a coordinate system in which >buoy 2 is at rest, buoy 1 now appears to be moving with a velocity of >-10 (same units). This new coordinate system is just as good as the buoy 1 >coordinate system (if the buoy 1 coordinate system is inertial, then so is >the buoy 2 coordinate system, and vice versa); but now both systems give you >different velocities for objects moving in space depending on whether you >calculate this velocity relative to the first buoy or the second buoy. > >I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say, "With light you can >determine if you are absolutely at rest." If buoy 1 emits a beam of light >towards buoy 2 (I am trying to keep the problem simple by imagining that the >velocity of buoy 2 with respect to buoy 1 is just pointing along the line >between the buoys), then do you agree that in the coordinate system determined >by buoy 2, the speed of this light will still be c? If buoy 2 emits another >beam of light back at the first buoy, do you agree that the speed of this light >measured in the coordinate system determined by buoy 1 will also still be c? >(I suspect that you do, if I am correctly interpreting your first few remarks >above about light; I guess the real question is whether this situation poses >a problem for claiming that either of these coordinate systems is absolute, >i.e. determining which of buoy 1 or 2 is "really" at rest.) > >Buoy, is it hard to keep typing "boy" over and over again like that... :) > >Cheers, >Darrin > > You can determine whether any of the buoys is at absolute rest by shining a laser in all directions. If any of the beams is deflected, you know you are in motion. If you adjust your velocity so that none of the laser beams is deflected, you will then be at absolute rest. I think that light's speed is always the same. However, since, in my opinion, it is possible to determine absolute velocity, light's speed relative to moving objects varies. If you are moving at .5c and emit light in the direction you are traveling, the velocity of the light is still c, but relative to the ship it is .5c. Similarly, if you are moving toward a light source at .5c, the source emits light at c, but relative to you the speed is 1.5c. The light is not moving toward you at 1.5c, but you must take into account that you are moving toward the light source at .5c. You would therefore be able to determine that you are closing at 1.5c. This is because it is possible to determine one's absolute velocity. If you couldn't, then you would have to use Special Relativity. Regards, Edward Meisner
Russell Crook (rmc@silver.sni.ca) wrote: : There are no end of mathematical models, predictions, etc. of : scramjets if one searches the web. But nowhere can I find anything : on one actually being *built*, let alone *flown*. You're not looking hard enough. The Russians flew one several years ago on the tip of a ballistic missile. Surprised a lot of people who did not even know they were doing this. The US has a program to fly a scramjet on an SR-71. I forget the name, but the hardware is built. Look in back issues of Aviation Week & Space Technology as well as Aerospace America. These systems have been discussed there. : Given the age of the concept (I remember reading about scramjets in the 70s), : and the simplicity of scramjet implementation (once you have the : shockwave physics and heating problems out of the way :->), and the : obvious improvements that could be made in booster or SSTO performance : and cost if you could use air for your oxidizer for more of the boost phase, : I find this hard to understand. It has to do with the info that you put in your parenthesis. Those are big problems. : in order to buttress the math). Am I simply not looking in the right places, : or is really the case that no one has actually ever built or flight tested : one? Get off the Web and do a media search on a system like LEXIS/NEXIS. There should be plenty of information there from recent years. Dwayne -- Hope is independent of the apparatus of logic.--Norman CousinsReturn to Top
dean@psy.uq.oz.au (Dean Povey) writes: > >Well, things get lighter in AD when they are UNDERGOING DECAY. This wasn't >happening to Mercury last time I looked :). Things get lighter in AD in an ad hoc fashion it would seem. The articles often say "beta decay" to make a specific distinction (that is, all the laws of physics work great except in this one case, where they change all of them rather than introduce the neutrino), but there are other cases where 'decay' is used generically, like on some of the missing energy discussion pages. We know the AD equations do not apply to alpha decay, so if the statement Dean makes above is accurate then we know AD is wrong. -- James A. CarrReturn to Top| "The half of knowledge is knowing http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~jac/ | where to find knowledge" - Anon. Supercomputer Computations Res. Inst. | Motto over the entrance to Dodd Florida State, Tallahassee FL 32306 | Hall, former library at FSCW.
In articleReturn to Top, OX-11 wrote: > >There is a somewhat disturbing rumor floating around the net--that the >government is selling human flesh as beef and pork in the local markets >(possibly as a way to eliminate political enemies). My question is this: My question is, was this article the *start* of the rumor? Looks like a troll to see how far this will go. -- James A. Carr | "The half of knowledge is knowing http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~jac/ | where to find knowledge" - Anon. Supercomputer Computations Res. Inst. | Motto over the entrance to Dodd Florida State, Tallahassee FL 32306 | Hall, former library at FSCW.
Yes, a 40% effect can be measured at the 10 microsecond level. -- James A. CarrReturn to Top| "The half of knowledge is knowing http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~jac/ | where to find knowledge" - Anon. Supercomputer Computations Res. Inst. | Motto over the entrance to Dodd Florida State, Tallahassee FL 32306 | Hall, former library at FSCW.
Newsgroups: sci.math From: Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) Subject: Re: FermatÕs Last Theorem Message-ID:Return to TopOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH References: <2728f8$51j@news.u.washington.edu> <278vgj$pi2@paperboy.osf.org> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 03:19:22 GMT Lines: 44 In article Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) >In article <278vgj$pi2@paperboy.osf.org> karl@dme3.osf.org (Karl >Heuer) writes: > >>Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) writes: >>>The eventual arithmetic proof of FLT, I am confident, will come >>>from the counting numbers; P-triples are possible only in exp2 >>>because 2+2=2x2=4. >> >>I have my doubts as to the connection between that equation and >>FLT; however, you may be interested to know that other solutions >>are possible if you allow those left-infinite decimal strings that >>we discussed earlier. When k=4, there is a unique nonzero solution >>to N+N+N+N = N*N*N*N = M. Here is the answer, worked out to 60 >>decimal places. You can check it by doing the arithmetic yourself, >>right to left. >> >> N = . . .8217568575974462578891103859665245689398767183 >> 82655349981184 >> M = . . .2870274303897850315564415438660982757595068735 >> 30621399924736 >> >>Karl Heuer karl@osf.org > > Karl Heuer double bless you to the infinite Fields of Elysium. I >would not mind if you discovered the worldÕs first valid proof of >FLT, instead of me. > Karl can you do the same thing for exp3 and exp5, i.e., a unique >solution? Karl I think the proof would then go like this. Take any exp greater than 2, then when there are rational solutions to FLT those are turned into infinite integers by just deleting the decimal point. Near the end of the proof would be something that only with finite integers is a Ptriple possible because only 2+2=2x2=4. Then again I could be all wrong and there in fact exists a counterexample to FLT provided that one considers infinite integers are no different from finite integers. That is, finite integers are infinite integers with just infinite repetition of zeroes to the left. WOULD THAT NOT BE THE SUPREME IRONY SO FAR IN THE HISTORY OF MATH. That there is a counterexample to FLT. The whole world will laugh hysterically if Wiles gets approval and Ludwig Plutonium comes up with the counterexample. Which choice would you pick--- a 1000 page math community accepted (fake) proof, or a counterexample? So far my confidence in the math community is that they would prefer the 1000 page ordeal. ------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: sci.math From: Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) Subject: Re: FermatÕs Last Theorem Message-ID: Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH References: <2728f8$51j@news.u.washington.edu> <278vgj$pi2@paperboy.osf.org> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 03:44:56 GMT Lines: 9 In article <278vgj$pi2@paperboy.osf.org> karl@dme3.osf.org (Karl Heuer) writes: > > N = . . .8217568575974462578891103859665245689398767183 > 82655349981184 > M = . . .2870274303897850315564415438660982757595068735 > 30621399924736 LET US FIND A CROP OF COUNTEREXAMPLES TO FLT. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! ------------------------------------------------------------- EMAIL From: ÒTerry TaoÓ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 93 09:55:36 EDT To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU Subject: Re: FermatÕs Last Theorem Newsgroups: sci.math In-Reply-To: References: <2728f8$51j@news.u.washington.edu> <278vgj$pi2@paperboy.osf.org> Organization: Princeton University Cc: In article you write: >In article >Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) > >>In article <278vgj$pi2@paperboy.osf.org> karl@dme3.osf.org (Karl >>Heuer) writes: >> >>>Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) writes: >>>>The eventual arithmetic proof of FLT, I am confident, will come >>>>from the counting numbers; P-triples are possible only in exp2 >>>>because 2+2=2x2=4. >>> >>>I have my doubts as to the connection between that equation and >>>FLT; however, you may be interested to know that other solutions >>>are possible if you allow those left-infinite decimal strings that >>>we discussed earlier. When k=4, there is a unique nonzero solution >>>to N+N+N+N = N*N*N*N = M. Here is the answer, worked out to 60 >>>decimal places. You can check it by doing the arithmetic yourself, >>>right to left. >>> >>> N = . . .8217568575974462578891103859665245689398767183 >>> 82655349981184 >>> M = . . .2870274303897850315564415438660982757595068735 >>> 30621399924736 >>> >>>Karl Heuer karl@osf.org >> >> Karl Heuer double bless you to the infinite Fields of Elysium. I >>would not mind if you discovered the worldÕs first valid proof of >>FLT, instead of me. >> Karl can you do the same thing for exp3 and exp5, i.e., a unique >>solution? No. Theorem. The equation N+N+N=N*N*N has no solution in 10-adics, apart from N=0. Proof: consider the powers of 2 and 5 in N. Suppose 2 divides N a times and 5 divides N b times. The lhs of the above equation has 2^a 5^b as its factors of 2 and 5 (which are by the way the only primes in 10-adics), and the rhs has 2^3a 5^3b as its factors, hence a and b must be 0. But then, if neither 2 or 5 divides N, then N must be invertible, unless N=0. Thus, dividing by N, we get N*N = 3. But comparing the final digits of both sides, we see that this is impossible. Similarly: The equation N+N+N+N+N=N*N*N*N*N has no solution in 10-adics, apart from N=0. Proof. Suppose 2^a5^b are the prime factors of N, again. Then the lhs has prime factors of 2^a 5^(b+1) and the rhs has prime factors of 2^5a 5^5b. But these can never match, hence there is no solution (unless N=0; 0 is the only number that has non-unique prime factorization). The fact that N+N+N=N*N*N has no solutions in 10-adics, whereas there ARE solutions of FLT in 10-adics for n=3 (see for example the post by William Schneeberger), shows that there is no proof that ÒFLT is true for n=3 => N+N+N=N*N*N for some non-zero NÓ unless you use a property of the integers that the 10-adic integers do not have. > > Karl I think the proof would then go like this. Take any exp >greater than 2, then when there are rational solutions to FLT those >are turned into infinite integers by just deleting the decimal point. An important point here: the operation of turning rational numbers into infinite integers by deleting the decimal point does NOT preserve addition or multiplication. For example, in rationals .33333... x .33333.... = .11111.... whereas ....33333 x ....33333 = .....88889 and .5555.... + .4444... = 1 whereas ....5555 + ....4444 = ....9999 Thus, a rational solution of FLT does not automatically lead to a 10-adic solution of FLT. >Near the end of the proof would be something that only with finite >integers is a Ptriple possible because only 2+2=2x2=4. I would very much like to see a proof of this statement: if you can prove this, then you have proved FLT. Then again, see an above point that you would need to use a property of the integers that is not shared by the 10-adic integers. > Then again I could be all wrong and there in fact exists a >counterexample to FLT provided that one considers infinite integers >are no different from finite integers. What you mean here is that there exists a counterexample to FLT in infinite integers. It is not quite correct to say that Òinfinite integers are no different from finite integersÓ. Every finite integer is a 10-adic integer, but not conversely. What is true is that multiplication and addition are the same operation for both of them. However, finite integers have several properties that 10-adic integers do not have, for example, they are all finite. Another is that induction works for finite integers, but not for 10-adic integers. (otherwise, you could prove that all 10-adic integers were finite by induction). > That is, finite integers are infinite integers with just infinite >repetition of zeroes to the left. WOULD THAT NOT BE THE SUPREME >IRONY SO FAR IN THE HISTORY OF MATH. That there is a >counterexample to FLT. The commonly accepted wording of FLT ends Ò... where a, b, c, n are (finite) integersÓ (with the finite added for emphasis). If you remove this last phrase, then the FLT that most mathematicians think of would then have to be called ÒFLT for integersÓ. It is true that FLT is false for p-adics, matrices, quaternions, and a lot of other number systems. In this sense, there are counter examples to the general FLT. But there is no counter example to FLT (integers): this was proved by Wiles. > The whole world will laugh hysterically if Wiles gets approval >and Ludwig Plutonium comes up with the counterexample. Which >choice would you pick--- a 1000 page math community accepted >(fake) proof, or a counterexample? So far my confidence in the math >community is that they would prefer the 1000 page ordeal. There seems to be a point you keep missing. If you change the definitions of terms (like integer, real, etc), then theorems change as well. Thus, ÒFLT for normal integersÓ (Wiles) is a different theorem than ÒFLT is not true for 10-adic integersÓ (proved by many people) and both results (admittedly one is very long, the other very short), are good mathematics and knowing one does not automatically get you the other result. So there is no real irony, except that theorems that hold for one number system need not hold for all number systems. Of course, you may dispute that the commonly accepted definition of ÒintegerÓ SHOULD be the commonly accepted definition. But even if you replace the concept of integer, the ÒoldÓ concept of integer is still a valid one, so you canÕt just blithely say (for example) Òwell, if I redefine integers to be 10-adic, so the reals are now equal cardinality to the integers, then there is no infinite set with smaller cardinality than the reals anymoreÓ, because the ÒoldÓ notion of integer still exists. Terry ------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: sci.math From: Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) Subject: Re: Fermat's Last Theorem Message-ID: Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH References: <278vgj$pi2@paperboy.osf.org> <27glo6$elj@paperboy.osf.org> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 15:39:46 GMT Lines: 15 In article <27glo6$elj@paperboy.osf.org> karl@dme3.osf.org (Karl Heuer) writes: >In article >Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) writes: >>does this above monster 4N=N^4 repeat in a block like Rational >>numbers repeat > >No, it doesn't. Karl is this new number which you discovered (if you do not have a name for it as yet, I suggest HeuerPu Numbers, but that is up to you) analytic irrational or transcendental? Given that concepts of transcendental can be translated to P-adic. Also, please tell me if there is a mirror reflection in the Reals of HeuerPu Numbers. Is there a Real number between 0 and 1 which has HeuerPu properties? ------------------------------------------------------------- EMAIL Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 00:01:54 EDT From: ÒKin ChungÓ To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU Subject: INFINITE INTEGERS In-Reply-To: Organization: Princeton University Cc: Before you embrace the so-called Òinfinite integersÓ too closely, consider this straightforward sum: ....9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 +....0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 ___________________________________________ ....000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Using your identification of the (finite) integers with a subset of the infinite integers, this shows that (-1) = ...9999. Do you see what IÕm trying to get at? ------------------------------------------------------------- From: karl@dme3.osf.org (Karl Heuer) Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Fermat's Last Theorem Date: 21 Sep 1993 20:59:42 GMT Organization: Open Software Foundation Lines: 25 Message-ID: <27npvu$blc@paperboy.osf.org> References: <27glo6$elj@paperboy.osf.org> In article Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) writes: >(if you do not have a name for it as yet, I suggest HeuerPu Numbers, >but that is up to you) I've been calling N^k=k*N the "LP equation". I don't think its solutions need names of their own, but "LP numbers" will do for now. > Karl is this new number which you discovered analytic irrational or transcendental? Given that concepts of transcendental can be translated to P-adic. It's easy to prove that it's irrational, because the rationals have the same properties in the 10-adic numbers that they do in the reals. Since it's a zero of the polynomial x^k-k*x, it's a (non-Real) irrational algebraic number. >Also, please tell me if there is a mirror reflection in the Reals The LP equation has real solutions for all k; e.g. sqrt(3) for k=3. (As someone else already noted, these solutions will have magnitude >1.) There are similarities to the Reals, but it's not just a renaming. 1/3 exists as a (repeating) 10-adic integer, but it's not . . .3333; it's . . .66667 instead. (Multiply it out: . . .66667 * 3 = . . .00001 no matter how many places you carry it to.) Also, x^2 = 3 has a solution in the Reals but not in the 10-adics; while x^2 = -31 has a solution in the 10-adics but not in the Reals. ------------------------------------------------------------- From: karl@dme3.osf.org (Karl Heuer) Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: P-ADIC NUMBERS: RENAMED AS INFINITE INTEGERS Date: 21 Sep 1993 21:14:12 GMT Organization: Open Software Foundation Lines: 12 Message-ID: <27nqr4$bpe@paperboy.osf.org> References: In article Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) writes: > Let us rename the math subject "P-adic Numbers" to that of >"Infinite Integers." I'd rather keep the existing terminology. There are several consistent models of arithmetic that include objects that look "infinite" in some sense: the Hyperintegers/Hyperreals, the Surintegers/Surreals, the compact number line, the Riemann sphere, the transfinite ordinals, the transfinite cardinals, etc. The only thing that's "infinite" about the p-adic numbers is their representation as a digit string, and that's analogous to the infinite number of digits in a non-terminating Real. ------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: sci.math From: Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) Subject: Re: P-ADIC NUMBERS: RENAMED AS INFINITE INTEGERS Message-ID: Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH References: <27nqr4$bpe@paperboy.osf.org> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 16:34:43 GMT Lines: 17 In article <27nqr4$bpe@paperboy.osf.org> karl@dme3.osf.org (Karl Heuer) >I'd rather keep the existing terminology. There are several >consistent models of arithmetic that include objects that look >"infinite" in some sense: the Hyperintegers/Hyperreals, the >Surintegers/Surreals, the compact number line, the Riemann >sphe, the transfinite ordinals, the transfinite cardinals, etc. > >The only thing that's "infinite" about the p-adic numbers is their >representation as a digit string, and that's analogous to the infinite >number of digits in a non-terminating Real. How about TRANSFINITE INTEGERS? Any objections? I am trying to give a good name to these infinite strings for another assault on CantorÕs claim that there are more than one type of infinity. ------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Terry Tao" Subject: Re: Wiles proof of FLT To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU (Ludwig Plutonium) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 17:10:49 EDT In-Reply-To: <5509284@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU>; from "Ludwig Plutonium" at Sep 26, 93 5:07 pm > > Terry tell me if all P-adic numbers have inverses. Can you prove it > If P is prime, then all numbers which are not multiples of P have inverses. (in other words, all numbers whose last digit is not 0.) If P is not prime, then all numbers which are coprime to P have inverses, i.e. the last digit of that number is coprime to P. To prove it, it is sufficient to show that you can invert the last N digits, for each N. This is a standard exercise in modular arithmetic. Terry p.s. I would still like to hear your comment on my proof that there must be a counter-example to FLT. Do you think my proof is flawed? ------------------------------------------------------------- EMAIL From: ÒTerry TaoÓ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 20:34:10 EDT To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU Subject: Re: FermatÕs Last Theorem Newsgroups: sci.math In-Reply-To: References: <2728f8$51j@news.u.washington.edu> <278vgj$pi2@paperboy.osf.org> Organization: Princeton University Several observations. (1). In my mind, the reason why 2 is exceptional in FLT is not because 2x2 = 2+2, but rather because 2 is even. If n is odd, then FLT can be rewritten in the much more beautiful u^n + v^n + w^n is never 0 unless uvw is 0 (where u,v,w are integers). (2). P-adic counter-examples to FLT have been known for some time - almost at the same time that they were discovered. P-adics are like real numbers, in a sense: who's interested in a real number counter-example to FLT? (3). Wiles uses special properties of the finite integers that the infinte integers do not have, one of which is that there are infinitely many primes in the finite integers. (4) Your statement "Wiles's proof contradicts the Fourier theorem" is indirect non-existence - after all, that's what you said when I used the same principle to show that FLT must be false for finite integers. (5) FLT is true for finite integers, false for p-adic integers. Each finite integer is a p-adic integer, but the set of finite integers is only a SUBSET of the set of p-adic integers. They are different things, and you have two different FLTs for two different number systems. FLT is assumed to be over the finite integers unless otherwise specified, so your statement that ÒAll proofs of FLT are fakeÓ is wrongly deduced. However, you have made a true deduction in saying that no proof of FLT can rely purely on algebraic manipulation, because of the p-adic counter example. It must use a property that the finite integers have but the infinite integers do not, for example (a) induction; (b) infinitude of primes; (c) no zero divisors (WillÕs two numbers, a and b, multiply to 0) etc. Terry ------------------------------------------------------------- EMAIL From: ÒTerry TaoÓ Subject: Re: Fermat's Last Theorem To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU (Ludwig Plutonium) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 22:22:46 EDT In-Reply-To: <5569918@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU>; from "Ludwig Plutonium" at Sep 28, 93 10:18 pm > >--- You wrote: >However, you have made a true deduction in saying that no proof of >FLT can rely purely on algebraic manipulation, because of the p-adic >counter example. It must use a property that the finite integers >have but the infinite integers do not, for example >--- end of quoted material --- >Thanks that is important I needed that. > >Terry tell me if there is a Real analog of that number Karl produced. >Karl says it is greater than 1. Can you pinpoint it better. > the cube root of 4. Terry ------------------------------------------------------------- EMAIL From: ÒWilliam SchneebergerÓ Subject: Re: your counterexample posting To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU (Ludwig Plutonium) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 12:10:41 EDT In-Reply-To: <5581074@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU>; from ÒLudwig PlutoniumÓ at Sep 29, 93 11:39 am Sorry, I don't have a copy. But here's the deal: We solve a == 0 (mod 5) a == 0 (mod 25) a == 0 (mod 125) . . . and a == 1 (mod 2) a == 1 (mod 4) a == 1 (mod 8) by the Chinese Remainder Theorem. Similarly we solve b == 0 (mod 5) b == 0 (mod 25) b == 0 (mod 125) b == 0 (mod 625) . . . and b == 1 (mod 2) b == 1 (mod 4) b == 1 (mod 8) . . . Now one can prove that a*a=a, b*b=b, a*b=0, a+b=1. This leads immediately to the fact that, for all (finite natural numbers) n, a^n + b^n = c^n where c == 1. There are, however, much more interesting solutions to FLT in these numbers. The above solution may well be considered trivial as abc == 0. For the p-adic numbers (infinite integers in a prime base p) the above solution does not exist. But I know that there do exist solutions for n relatively prime to p(p-1). Will ------------------------------------------------------------- EMAIL From: ÒTerry TaoÓ Subject: Re: Schneebergers post To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU (Ludwig Plutonium) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 14:45:31 EDT In-Reply-To: <5581425@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU>; from "Ludwig Plutonium" at Sep 29, 93 11:55 am > >Hi Terry. I lost Schneebergers post of counterexamples. Would you >have a copy? Please relay > I haven't got that post either, but here's how you can compute them: The idempotents of the 10-adics are the solutions of a^2 = a. Thus their first digit must be 6 or 5 (by considering the problem modulo 10) - the idempotents 0 and 1 being discounted. Let us, say, consider the one with last digit 5: they sum up to 1 anyway. You can compute successive digits iteratively. If the next digit is a, i.e. the last two digits are 10a+5, then the last two digits of the square is 25, so a must be 2. Similarly, if we let the next digit be b, so the last three digits are 100b + 25, then the last three digits of the square is 625, hence b = 6. And so on. Terry ------------------------------------------------------------- EMAIL From: ÒTerry TaoÓ Subject: Re: Schneebergers post To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU (Ludwig Plutonium) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:02:53 EDT In-Reply-To: <5581425@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU>; from "Ludwig Plutonium" at Sep 29, 93 11:55 am Actually, all you need to do is take 5 and keep squaring it. The powers of 5 will converge in the 10-adic topology to one of Will's numbers. (recall: whereas the metric in say the reals, is |x-y| for the distance between x and y, the metric between two p-adics x and y is 1/p^n, where n is the highest number of times that p divides x-y.) Terry ------------------------------------------------------------- EMAIL From: ÒWilliam SchneebergerÓ Subject: Re: your counterexample posting To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU (Ludwig Plutonium) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:21:43 EDT In-Reply-To: <5581838@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU>; from ÒLudwig PlutoniumÓ at Sep 29, 93 12:15 pm So, I guess, some solutions for exponent 3 are a == 1 b == 10 c == . . .52979382777667001 a == 1 b == 20 c == . . .4437336001 a == 1 b == 30 c == . . .4919009001 In fact for any finite n, a == 1, b a multiple of 10, we can solve the equation of FLT. But, look, all IÕve shown here is that in the 10-adic numbers there is a solution to the equation. I have _not_ contradicted the statement of FLT which says that there is no solution among the usual finite integers. This is more of a problem. Later. ------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: sci.math From: Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) Subject: Re: Wiles's proof of FLT Message-ID: Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH References: <27st80$asv@clipper.clipper.ingr.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:24:55 GMT Lines: 15 In article Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) writes: >FLT was outstanding because there is no proof of FLT in the general >case. The general theorem of FLT has no proof because transfinite >integers are just as real as finite integers. All attempts at a proof >of the general equation of FLT are doomed to failure. PROOF OF FLT. The general form of FLT where a^n+b^n=c^n are such that the four numbers a,b,c,n could be transfinite integers as well as finite integers. Hence a proof in the general case is impossible. The counterexamples in the P-adics is the proof. Anything else would have to restrict the four numbers a,b,c,n to finite number cases and show that in those restrictions there are no P-triples. QED
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thomasl283@aol.com writes: > >Robert, I do not dispute that neutrinos exist, it is their unusual >characteristics that theory would have us believe. That is a strangely self-contradictory statement. If they did not have those properties of charge and mass and lepton number they would not be neutrinos. Sort of like saying photons exist but you don't like that strange property of interacting with charges. > The Autodynamics critical review of the claims to have detected the >neutrino, based on those neutrino theories are well taken in my view. They have never critiqued the direct detection of the neutrino. Their analysis is stuck back in about 1936. >For the neutrino to have the unusual ability to *increase* in cross >section with increased energy disagrees with every other particle >in the universe. This is false. The pion-nucleon cross section increases rapidly with energy as you approach the Delta. >What is the neutrino mechanism that would allows this? The energy is getting closer to the physical pole of the W and Z. >If the neutrino is born at * c * you cannot add energy to it. So photons cannot scatter and acquire energy either? -- James A. CarrReturn to Top| "The half of knowledge is knowing http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~jac/ | where to find knowledge" - Anon. Supercomputer Computations Res. Inst. | Motto over the entrance to Dodd Florida State, Tallahassee FL 32306 | Hall, former library at FSCW.
Hello all, I have posted a copy of my M.S. Thesis at: http://home1.gte.net/dhillos/camra/index.html Please feel free to email me any comments you may have. Thank you, Navdeep Dhillon _______________ Navdeep Dhillon Member of Technical Staff GTE Laboratories ndhillon@gte.com *** Abstract: The Cellular Approach for Modeling Room Acoustics (CAMRA) algorithm is an alternative, more general,implementation for current room acoustic modeling methods that provides a framework for dealing effectively with moving sounds in an arbitrary room configuration. The room space is discretized into cells that have independent knowledge and skills. In its simplest form, the CAMRA algorithm is a way of implementing the ray-tracing algorithm. By adding cell skills, more complex acoustic analysis is possible. For example, binaural simulation and scattering effects can be incorporated. The computational complexity of the algorithm is dependent on cell abilities, so computational power can be optimized for a given application. The algorithm has been described, implemented and tested, and its extension capabilities have been discussed and illustrated in detail.Return to Top
gonser@eawag.ch (-Tom-) writes: > > ... Universities are free in order to >offer everyone that qualifies regardless of parents' income equal >opportunity. What fraction of the population attends college or university? There was a time when the Universities of California were free, but the cost of that system could no longer be supported at the level it was being used. -- James A. CarrReturn to Top| "The half of knowledge is knowing http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~jac/ | where to find knowledge" - Anon. Supercomputer Computations Res. Inst. | Motto over the entrance to Dodd Florida State, Tallahassee FL 32306 | Hall, former library at FSCW.
Phil Fischer wrote: > What a bunch of moronic blather. The most stringent test of the perihelion > advance predicted by GR is the Taylor-Hulse pulsar. You might recall that > the discoverers of this pulsar (Taylor and Hulse) were recently awarded Nobel > prizes. This system has a much larger perihelion advance than > mercury. Observation and analysis of pulsar timing has yielded fantastic > agreement with GR. End of discussion. Hahahahahahaha ..... end of discussion. Hahahahahahaha ..... what an intellectual singularity. Of course - I forgot ... everyone who is awarded a Nobel prize is correct by default. Certainly, if they were handing out such awards in the days of Ptolemy, then he would have received a few. Water joke ..... surf on ..... Verily verily I say unto you .... Those who are stuffed up proponents of the status quo have already received the reward of their labor. I find sci.physics the most amusing newsgroup to read for this very reason ... "Know_it_Alls" - Please stand up and be recognised. The prizes have been awarded. The books have already been written. Nature is known to the scientific mind. All that is left to do now is to teach the children well .... Pete Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------- BoomerangOutPost: Mountain Man Graphics, Newport Beach, {OZ} Webulous Coordinates: http://magna.com.au/~prfbrown/ancients.html QuoteForTheDay: HERACLITUS born about 540 bc in Ephesus of royal family, Heraclitus was a solitary, his words were obscure, and he never disguised his contempt for mankind and other "philosophers and poets" such as Pythagoras and Homer: "The rest of mankind are unaware of what they do while awake, just as they forget what they do while sleeping." Rebuking some for their unbelief, Heraclitus says: "Knowing neither how to hear nor how to speak" The opinions of mankind - "to be children's playthings". "What sense or mind have they? They put their trust in popular bards and take the mobs for their teacher, unaware that most men are bad, and the good are few. "Human nature has no insight, but divine nature has it." "Man is infantile in the eyes of a god, as a child in the eyes of a man." "To God all things are fair, and good and just, but men have supposed some unjust and some just." "One man is to me ten thousand, if he be the best." "The way up and the way down are the same" "Divine things for the most part escape recognition because of unbelief." "The limits of the soul woudst thou not discover though thou shoudst travel every road: so deep a logos has it." "What we see awake is death - what we see asleep is sleep." "The body is a tomb" ...... (Note: this is a standard Pythagorean belief) "A man's character is the immortal and potentially divine part of him" [Fr 115] "In the CIRCLE the beginning and the ending are common. "What he calls death is not utter annhilation, but changes to another element" - [Plato on Heraclitus] Heraclitus called fire "Want and satiety" "For fire will come and judge and convict all things." "From all things one, and from one all things." "Immortal mortals, mortal immortals, livingdeath of the others and dying their lives" (Guthrie: the transformation of opposites occur concurrently) "Everything is an exchange for fire" .... fire is the arche of nature [Simplicius:Phys23:33-24] "Let us not make random conjectures about the greatest of matters." According to the writings of Macrobius, Heraclitus describes the soul as .... "A spark of the substance of the stars." - Heraclitus ..... (about 500 BC) ---------------------------------------------------------------------Return to Top
seinfeld@earthlink.net (Jordan Tobin) wrote: >For my Phyiscs class, we are to send a pringle's potato chip thourgh >the mail to school, without it breaking. Anyone got ideas on a way to >package the chip so it does not get broken? > >--Jordan Tobin >seinfeld@earthlink.net > Get a pint of some platinum cure two-component silicone and pot the thing. Styrene polyester will work, but it won't look quite as good - and there is the matter of the exotherm, as with epoxy. Cast-in-place clear polyurethane could be OK. Take the block of polymer, seal it in a 1/4" wall heat-hardened steel box, wrap with a couple of inches of bubble pack, put that in a wooden crate... AND DON'T MARK IT 'FRAGILE!" It only makes them angry. Seriously, you need find way to take impacts and smear them over time and space. Think about it (and remember the grease factor). -- Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz UncleAl0@ix.netcom.com ("zero" before @) http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal.htm (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children, Democrats, and most mammals) "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!Return to Top
singtech@teleport.com (Charles Cagle) wrote: >In article <562iqt$jpr@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, Alan \"Uncle Al\" >SchwartzReturn to Topwrote: > >>Mark_Stenhoff@msn.com (Mark Stenhoff) wrote: >>>I would very much appreciate information concerning the following for >>>serious research purposes: >>>· ball lightning events, especially recent events/those involving >>>traces or damage >>>· ball lightning publications >>>· meetings and conferences concerning ball lightning. >>>Many thanks for your help, >>> >>>Mark Stenhoff >>> >>>(Mark_Stenhoff@msn.com) >> >>One would imagine "ball lightning" suffers the same problem as putting >>hair on a sphere: Unless all the filaments (field lines) are orthogonal >>to the surface there must be at least one singularity. > >Define singularity in this context, Al. > >Surely it is none of the below in your mind, right? > >singularity n., pl. -ties > 1. the state, fact, or quality of being singular. > 2. a singular, unusual, or unique quality or thing; peculiarity. > 3. a point at which a mathematical function of real or > complex variables is not differentiable or analytic. > 4. a region of infinite density, as in a black hole. > Try (3). If the hair is not uniformly orthogonal to the surface there must be at least one point where the rule for laying it down is broken - check out the back of a volunteer's head. -- Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz UncleAl0@ix.netcom.com ("zero" before @) http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal.htm (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children, Democrats, and most mammals) "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
The reason Ken is being ignored is because he just repeats the same words over and over but cannot give them any physical meaning. Specifically, for the n-th time, kenseto@erinet.com (Ken H. Seto) writes: > >The E-Matrix is not moving. All material system such as the earth are >moving. All motions relative to the E-Matrix are absolute motions. So, Ken, what is the velocity vector of the earth? What is the velocity vector of the sun? You can feel free to specify it in your favorite absolute units of space and time in that E-Matrix system. We can sort that out later. Without that, statements like >Yes, but the measured 'c' on earth contains the absolute motion of the >earth lab. Light is being tranmitted by the E-Matrix. are completely without meaning. -- James A. CarrReturn to Top| "The half of knowledge is knowing http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~jac/ | where to find knowledge" - Anon. Supercomputer Computations Res. Inst. | Motto over the entrance to Dodd Florida State, Tallahassee FL 32306 | Hall, former library at FSCW.
Jordan TobinReturn to Topwrote in article <56df0h$53j@colombia.earthlink.net>... > For my Phyiscs class, we are to send a pringle's potato chip thourgh > the mail to school, without it breaking. Anyone got ideas on a way to > package the chip so it does not get broken? 1. Mark the envelope "REALLY REALLY REALLY UNBELIEVABLY AMAZINGLY FRAGILE". 2. Soak the chip in water until it is nice & squishy then send it. 3. Cheat: Mail yourself an envelope, reopen it, insert chip, drop envelope in school's inbox. 4. Leave the chip in the original canister, and put a stamp on that. 5. Crumble the chip to dust and send that. When your prof tries to flunk you, point out that it didn't break while it was in the mail! Rick Osborne / C++ VB Pascal HTML VRML Java / osborne@gateway.grumman.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~ Neurotoxin Lite! Tastes great. Less writhing & drooling.
Erik Max FrancisReturn to Topwrites: >Dean Povey wrote: >> In AD gravitation, the perihelion advance for each planet is >> proportional to the square root of the division of the solar mass by >> the orbital radius power 3. >> >> Tp = sqrt(M / r^3) [ditto: DGP] >Care to derive this? >> If the Mercury value is taken as 43" . . . . >Do you _actually_ mean that Autodynamics can't predict Mercury's perhelion >precession without being given it? That's not very impressive. Right >there general relativity has a head start on you. From what I can gather from the web pages, the AD equation uses a constant which indicates the quantity of mass received from pico-gravitons per each gram of mass present, per second. This is a universal constant which is the same for all celestial bodies. Hence, the input of Mecury's perhelion advance is merely a method to calculate this constant. (You could predict Mercury's perhelion advance by using accurate observations of another body to calculate the constant.) I don't see much wrong with this, you find constants throughout physics, (eg. the GR equation uses G and pi). For more information read the Autodynamics web page. Dean.
kenseto@erinet.com (Ken H. Seto) writes: > >Since there is no response to this thread, I assume that the >relativists are agreeing with the existence of absolute time and >motion. By this logic, the fact that Ken has never provided a response to many inquiries about the motion of the earth or an earth-based lab through his E-Matrix, we can assume that Ken agrees that he does know what his own words mean. -- James A. CarrReturn to Top| "The half of knowledge is knowing http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~jac/ | where to find knowledge" - Anon. Supercomputer Computations Res. Inst. | Motto over the entrance to Dodd Florida State, Tallahassee FL 32306 | Hall, former library at FSCW.
>: Yes, exactly. I can only judge the value of a theory by comparing >: it to the real universe in which we live. > That may be correct for an engineer or an experimentalist, >but it is certainly not true for theoretical physics, any model >that is self consistent has value, even if it is only used as >a reference, or to generate or precipitate new ideas and experiments. Sorry, you're quite right. I should have said "correctness", not "value". But cranks usually insist that their ideas actually are a correct description of the universe and not experimental or pedagogical theories. As you point out the approach they take has been known to be wrong for nearly a hundred years. They would do much better to re-invent Newtonian gravity, which at least has predictive value and is of course the correct low-energy approximation to general relativity. Anti-relativity cranks are not on a path of improving the world's understanding of the universe, only one of self-aggrandizement. > I do not agree with any of the concepts of absolute motion, >absolute space, aether or E-Matrix or any other name, or absolute >velocity, but the number of threads and number of responses gives >[...] others more incentive to continue beating a tired horse. Well, amen, but should we let nonsense go unchallenged, even if it is the same tired old stuff repeated endlessly?Return to Top
John Anonymous MacDonald wrote: > Anyone have tips for keeping David Kaufman's droppings out of > the newsgroups? For that matter what about Persuter's? Suggestion might be for all to ignore them both and maybe they'll go away. Nah, too young to take a hint. CurmudgeonReturn to Top
brian artese writes: > Hardy Hulley wrote: > > > If you bothered to read what I wrote before you started > > hyperventilating, you will note that it is quite consistent with your > > little rave. > > No... Your characterization claimed that the 'first principle' of > deconstruction was that an author's text obscures some > already-established thing called 'intent.' Writers like Derrida or de > Man would never propose such a naive schema. > > Why naive? Let me answer this way: Let's say we have an author with > something to say; let's say he sits and writes it down. It 'worked' -- that is, he succeeded in writing down what he had to say. Let's say he I believe THAT's yer problem. What is this "success"? > publishes this writing and you and I read it. We talk about the text, > and perhaps at some point you say, 'I know what this author means.' > Another way to say that is, 'I know what this author means to say,' or > 'I know what this author intends to say.' > > Such a statement does not merely claim to have read the actual words of > the author, to which we all have access. The statement does not simply > point to *what* the text says; it claims to have apprehended something > else: the 'intent' of the author. Somewhere along the line something > went wrong -- why did 'intent' get divorced from the text itself? > Didn't we establish that the author successfully wrote down what he had > to say? > > The point is: If there really exists something called 'intent' that is > *distinct* from the actual text -- and if that intent is communicable > and therefore articulatable -- *why didn't the author simply write down > _that_ articulation instead?* > > In other words: it's not deconstruction that claims that there is a > 'problem' with communicating *what* one has to say; it's not > deconstruction that has posited the text as an 'interference' to > communication; what causes the 'problem' is this goblin called 'intent' > that humanists feel so compelled to protect. > > By throwing out 'intent' deconstruction doesn't _cause_ a problem > regarding communication -- it obviates one. > > -- brianReturn to Top
briank@ibm.net (Brian Kennelly) wrote[in part]:Return to TopPlease see new thread for convenience: "Brian Jones' universe (was: its still...)"
Along I-15 between LA and Las Vegas (and I assume further?), distances are given both in miles and km. Is there a reason for this (e.g. military purposes? The Mojave Desert is full of bases). Also, the mileage sign for Pasadena as you get off the 110 freeway at Orange Grove Blvd. says "<- Pasadena 2 (3.2 km)", for all metric people at Caltech?Return to Top
John, as much as I would rather pound you to a pulp with my bare hands, I can't help but ask you if you realize this guys just yanking your fucking chain? I thought in the past you were just some mildly psychotic guy hell bent on spamming the shit out of everyone with your foolishness but I can see what you're doing is really scary. Invisable waves that can control your rectum? You need professional help John. There are times that any and all of us can/will/have go completely over the edge, and you're there pal. I'm sorry John, but you are too far out there to even be allowed internet acsess. There arent any firearms or anything in your home are there? Does your family keep all the sharp edged objects in your house locked up? They should really concider it before you snap some night and whack them all for being "mind control infiltrators" or something. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Mr Anonymous" mordor@skypoint.comReturn to Top
peter@cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) writes: : Frank_Hollis-1@sbphrd.com.see-sig (Triple Quadrophenic) wrote: : :>>SO, how do skates work :>> :> :>Steel, being a liquid, forms a thin film at the base of the skates, thus :>lowering friction. : : I always thought that it was the glass insert (very small- most people : don't even realise that it's there) which flows, so making the skates work. Nah, you're both wrong. The thin edge of the blade as it runs over the ice vibrates at ultrasonic frequencies. The ultrasonics fracture the ice crystals and frees the water inside in a process known as dephlogistonization. The resulting water reacts implosively with the metal (owing to its dephlogistinated state) and defrictionizes the surface of the blade. --Peter MetcalfeReturn to Top
briank@ibm.net (Brian Kennelly) wrote[in part]: [bjon] >>You have missed the point. If there's no such thing as absolute >>motion (no existence of it), then it becomes impossible for any >>possible experiment to ever detect, even in principle, and yet this >>must be the case for SRT to be testable. >> [kenn.] >Your logic is flawed. If absolute motion can be detected, then the PR will >fail for that phenomenon. If the experiment is optical, then SR will be >falsified. >But it is not necessary for absolute motion to exist for this argument to go >through. If absolute motion does not exist, then SR is true and therefore >cannot be falsified. This does not prevent us from testing it and its >consequences. Here's what I am saying: If one makes the argument that "Unicorns aren't detectable" when actually one means "It is my theory that unicorns don't exist, and furthermore they are not detectable," then this latter part is a senseless addition, and I don't believe Einstein would have done this. SRT says that only merely relative motion is detectable, and that absolute motion is not detectable. Einstein said that absolute motion is meaningless in that it cannot be observed, but this doesn't mean that he denied its very existence. And a theory that says "Absolute motion is not detectable" meaning "Despite the fact that absolute motion does exist, it is not observable" is not falsifiable unless such motion does exist. The only way it can be falsified is by the detection of absolute motion, so this type of motion must exist for the theory to be falsifiable. >In an argument of the form 'if A, then B', it is not necessary for A to be >true to test the arguement. This argument is equivalent to 'if not B, then >not A', so we can test B. The truth of B does not prove A, nor does the >falsity of A prove the falsity of B.Return to Top
John Baez wrote: > Now, spin is a form of angular momentum intrinsic to the electron, > but there is another kind of angular momentum, namely orbital angular > momentum, caused by how the electron (or whatever particle) is moving > around in space. It turns out that orbital angular momentum also > has magnetic effects, but only causes diamagnetism. The idea > that when you apply a magnetic field to some material, it can also make > the electrons in it tend to move in orbits perpendicular to the > magnetic field, and the resulting current creates a magnetic field. > But this magnetic field must *oppose* the external magnetic field. > Ergo, diamagnetism. > > Why does orbital angular momentum work one way, while spin works > the other way? Actually orbital moments and spins do work the same way! The nonrelativistic Hamilton of a particle in a magnetic field can be written: H=p^2/2m + mu B (L+g S) + 1/2m e^2/c^2 B^2 r^2 The second expression shows, that a orbital momentum L=(r x p) really acts the same way as a spin. To decide this physically, look at an atom with a finite angular moment in a magnetic field (which is paramagnetic with a similiar behavior as a free spin). Diamagnetism can be traced back to the third expression! The most "classical" way to explain diamagnetism is to look at the induced electric field, when (adiabatically) switching on the magnetic field. By this electric field, currents are induced, which (according to Lenz' rule) shield the magnetic field which do not decay fully in a quantum-mecanical system - the best diamagnet is a superconductor. Does somebody know how this "classical" picture can be used to derive the "diamagnetic term" in the hamilton? AchimReturn to Top
Airborne........what he said! -- Daniel Willis Goodale The Biohazard Brewing Company I like to think of myself as a chemical super-freak.Return to Top
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briank@ibm.net (Brian Kennelly) wrote[in part]:Return to TopPlease see new thread for convenience: "Brian Jones' universe (was: its still...)"
briank@ibm.net (Brian Kennelly) wrote[in part]: >In article <56a5ma$ohc@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, >bjon@ix.netcom.com (Brian D. Jones) wrote: >>briank@ibm.net (Brian Kennelly) wrote [in part]: >> >>>In article <562h73$k2k@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>, >>>bjon@ix.netcom.com (Brian Jones) wrote: >>>>throopw@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote[in part]: >>>> >>>>>::: The dude did not ask for reality, but only for an operational def. >>>>>::: of absolute time. >>>>>:: You have given a definition, but not an OPERATIONAL definition. >>>> >>>>>: bjon@ix.netcom.com (Brian Jones) >>>>>: It is operational in the sense that it could be carried out by simple >>>>>: trial and error if by no other means. >>>> >>>>>You can only have "trial and error" as an operational definition if you >>>>>can tell when you err. For example, it is clear that bjon has erred >>>>>here. He now knows he needs to make another try at his operational >>>>>definition. >>>> >>>>>So, keep on trying, bjon. Everybody needs a hobby, I guess. >>>>>-- >>>>>Wayne Throop throopw@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw >>>>> throopw@cisco.com >>>> >>>>Still, given enough trials (and the error is when the times don't >>>>match), the observers should eventually reach the point where all >>>>their time intervals match for any given events. At that point, they >>>>would have absolutely synch'd clocks. And this is per Einstein's own >>>>definition of absolute time, which is that all observers find the same >>>>time between any two events. In SRT, all find a different time period >>>>for the same two events, which (being only two events) can have only >>>>one actual time between them. >>>> >> >>>But there is no single outcome of your definition. It amounts to setting the >>>clocks in one reference system, then setting the clocks in all other reference >>>systems from that one. How do you choose the starting system? And then there >>>is that pesky time dilation that prevents the clocks from agreeing after some >>>time lapses. >> >>Time dilation is not involved -- only synchronization. And the goal is >>to get all the clocks absolutely sync'd by using real events. The >>criterion is all get the same time interval for any two random events, >>the opposite of SRT. >This definition does not pin it down. As I said above, you can choose any >inertial frame and use its clocks to measure the time intervals. Then all >observers will get the same value. But if I choose a different inertial frame >and use its clocks, everyone will again get the same value, but it will be >different from the original. Which is "true"? >The use of such clocks will also show up in the laws of physics as a new >vector quantity, contradicting the PR. You don't just pick one frame to get the readings for all. You let all the observers (many different ones) take readings for a set of events, and you average these. Then later you do the same for another set of events to see if the observers are closer or not to each other. If not, you vary them some way and do it again (take readings of another set of events). I believe that eventually the observer readings will merge (all agree on the times between any set of events). The event-pairs themselves each always have only one absolute time interval and this is the controlling factor.Return to Top
Hi, I am considering doing my science project for this year on cryonics. I have tried to get some info on the feasibility of this idea but have not had much luck. Some possibilities included freezing crickets or flat/roundworms to show memory retention after thawing. If you are knowledgeable in this field or have any suggestions, please e-mail me (ty1997@aol.com). Thank you very much TylerReturn to Top
briank@ibm.net (Brian Kennelly) wrote[in part]: >In article <5668oi$2ho@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, >bjon@ix.netcom.com (Brian Jones) wrote: >>briank@ibm.net (Brian Kennelly) wrote[in part]: >> >>>The internal beat of a clock has nothing to do with absolute time. You have >>>already made an exception for motion, what is next? >> >>>The regularity of a clock does not tell us how it will compare with other, >>>non-local clocks. This was recognized by Poincare in 1898, and developed by >>>Einstein in 1905 into SR. >> >>There's more to absolute time than mere clock synch. (In fact, clock >>synch has nothing to do with absolute time -- it is merely a matter of >>definition, as Einstein has pointed out.) >If clock sync has nothing to do with absolute time, then what is absolute >time? The only way we can compare time intervals of events at different >places is by synchonizing our clocks. Your previous definition of absolute >time is one where all observers will agree on the value of the time interval. >Without synch, the only thing left to agree on is that the time interval is >meaningless. It was not a definition of absolute time, but a way of showing that such time does exist, even in SRT. That is, it was an example that shows how real time shows up in SRT by the phenonenon of any SRT observer getting a different time interval for two events than that of any other SRT observer. This is not a relative thing, but is an absolute thing, a reflection of real clock readings even in SRT, and a reflection of the fact that an SRT observer's clocks are set out-of-true in proportion to his absolute speed. The real parts of usable absolute time are [1] a real clock rhythm [2] that is known by the observer. Absolute time by itself is just part [1]. As for the synch part, Newton's is called absolute synch, and E's relative synch., but this is not absolute time itself, which is the actual rhythm of an actual clk. >>And there's no "exception made for motion." A clock has an absolute >>rhythm, independent of any observer. This is a simple fact about the >>clock's absolute time. Another fact is that this absolute rhythm >>changes with the clock's absolute speed. (Proved by the KTX). >> >KTX showed that if AT and length contraction exist, then time dilation must >exist. Another explanation of the experiment is that AT does not exist and >SR holds. No explanation at all in SRT. >>Now, if you want to restrict "absolute time" to "all observer's >>knowing what all clocks actually read at any univeral instant," then >>we have not got to this yet, and the only way to get to it is by >>somehow detecting our absolute motion (which is another absolute that >>does exist, but has eluded detection thus far). >> >But, according to your entry above, the clocks could not be compared if they >are not coincident, so your def of AT is meaningless,Return to Top
Grzegorz Kruk Ph.D. (raven@david.silesia.pik-net.pl) wrote: ADDRESS: Grzegorz Kruk, Ph.D. Wysoka 12A/146 41-200 Sosnowiec Poland (please register mail) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ or ph./fax/modem (2400-8-N-1) +48 32 1995546 EDUCATION: Ph.D. 13th of December 1993, graduated from Trinity College, University of Dublin, Ireland. Thesis: FT Infrared Spectroscopy of Liquid Crystals. Papers: A. Kocot, R. Wrzalik, G. Kruk, J.K. Vij, Molecular Materials, v.1, p.273-279, (1992). A. Kocot, G. Kruk, R. Wrzalik, J.K. Vij, Liquid Crystals, v.12, n.6, p.1005-1012, (1992). J.K. Vij, A. Kocot, G.Kruk, R. Wrzalik, R. Zental, Mol. Cryst. Liq. Cryst., v. 14, p. 337-350, (1993). G. Kruk, A. Kocot, R. Wrzalik, J.K. Vij, O. Karthaus, H. Ringsdorf, Liquid Crystals, v.14, n.3, p.807-820, (1993). G. Kruk, J.K. Vij, O. Karthaus, H. Ringsdorf, Supramolecular Science, v.2, p.51-58, (1995). 6th of July 1989, graduated from Silesian University, Katowice, Poland, (specialization: experimental and applications of physics). Degree of Magistri (Master) in Physics. M.Sc. Graduation Exam: "A" Total Grade Point Average "B" (4.0) Thesis: Strong Thermal Lens Induced by Laser Light in Mixtures of Organic Liquids with Ferrocene. Published in Berichte der Bunsenges. Phys. Chem., v.94, p.417-420, (1990) by G. Kruk and Z. Gburski. INTERNATIONAL MEETINGS: Internal EC SCI*0291 project meeting, 1990, University of Dublin, Ireland. 14th International Liquid Crystal Conference, 1991, Pisa, Italy, (Presented 2 posters). Internal EC SCI*0291 project meeting, 1992, University of Manchester, U.K., (Seminar). WORK EXPERIENCE 1988-1994 physicist, Silesian University, Katowice, Poland. Duties: 1) preparing and explaining basic experiments on physics for undergraduate students. 2) writing computer programmes for experiments 3) designing and performance supervising of new experimental setups for experiments within undergraduate course 4) supervising students performing their own experiments 5) supervising maintenance jobs on experimental hardware 6) assembling electronic hardware for experiments like e.g. interfaces for meters and also writing software in ASSEMBLER 1989-1990 part time teacher of programming in PASCAL and BASIC, III Liceum Ogolnoksztalcace im. A. Mickiewicza, Katowice, Poland. Duties: 1) Installing software 2) Teaching programming in Pascal and Basic and also how to run and operate other applications 1991-1993 research student, EEE Department, Trinity College, University of Dublin, Dublin, Ireland. (working for EC research project SCI*0291 in cooperation with groups of University of Mainz and University of Manchester). Duties: 1) Laboratory research on liquid crystals and discotic liquid crystals using FTIR spectroscopy equipment and polarizing microscopy including: a) FTIR Spectrometer BIO-RAD FTS60A a Motorola 68000 based system with IDRIS operating system b) Programmable Intelligent Temperature Controller Oxford ITC4 2) Writing software applications for data handling in FORTRAN 3) Data handling and plotting on VAX/VMS (MATLAB), UNIX, DOS (EASYPLOT, WORD, LOTUS MANUSCRIPT) 4) Preparing seminars for internal project meetings and conferences 5) Correcting tutorials 6) Supervising students working with MATLAB during first course of Digital Signal Processing 03.1994 - Owner of "RAVEN" -Translation & Interpreting Services Bureau. Cooperating with: East Europen Business Centre, Welling, London, Kent International Language Engineering, Boulder, CO, USA (signed contract) Duties: 1) Manager 2) Accountant 3) Translator 4) Writing and modifying own software for accountancy PROGRAMMING: PASCAL, FORTRAN, C EXPERIENCE WITH OPERATING SYSTEMS: VMS, UNIX, DOS, RSX-11, CP/M, TOS, LANGUAGES: English-fluent, Polish-native. OTHER SKILLS: driving licence, yacht steersman licence INTERESTED IN: programming, robotics, computer simulations, AI, optical computing, OB, optical transistor, space research. OTHER FIELDS OF INTEREST: sailing, skiing, sport driving, basketball, swimming, movies, chess. already 33 y.o. (born on July 27th, 1963) , married, 2 children. REFERENCES: Prof. H. Robinson-Hammerstein, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ph. +353-1-7021045 Prof. J.K. Vij, EEE Department, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland. ph. +353-1-7021431Return to Top
briank@ibm.net (Brian Kennelly) wrote[in part]: [bjon] >>And meaningless. (What does "Light's speed relative to any observer >>whatsoever is independent of the light source" mean?) >> >Exactly what it reads. Any observer can measure light's speed, for light >emitted from any source and will get the same value. But you have mixed together two light speeds -- light's speed as it leaves the source and this light's speed relative to the observer. Does it make any difference if the light is source independent or not? >>>>more meaty proofs of light's absolute motion existence. In 1977, Ken >>>>Brecher studied binary star x-rays to see if the stars' _absolute)_ >>>>motion (the only kind that _could_ have a real effect upon anything) >> >>>The issue was variation of the star's motion relative to the Earth. >> >>No. It was the star's speed being source affected or not, and the >>only type of light speed that can possibly be affected by a light >>source is the absolute or actual light speed. >The only speed we can measure is relative speed. It can be affected by >motion of the source. But in the case of light, it is not. Brecher (as I said) did not measure the light's speed at all. All his experiment showed was the the light leaving the source was not pushed faster thru space by the source or slowed down thru space by the source. This clearly has zilch to do with some observer measuring the speed of light relative to his frame. >>>>had any affect upon the emitted light's _absolute_ speed (the only >>>>type of speed that could be affected by a source's motion). He said in >>>>his paper that there would be a definite pattern if light's speed were >>>>source-affected (or source dependent), and this pattern would be >>>>readily observable from earth. (The light would get "mixed up" as it >>>>was emitted from stars moving rapidly in opposite directions). >>>>However, no such telltale pattern was ever observed, meaning that the >>>>light's actual speed thru space (or its absolute speed) was in no way >>>>affected by the source's movement thru space, or the stars' absolute >>>>movements. Note that the earth observer in no way measures any light >>>>speed (either round-trip or one-way)in this case. This is purely a >> >>>The experiment was based on the fact that the travel time would vary if the >>>speed varied. (D/c+v <> D/c-v). The equality of the times is a proof that >>>the speeds are the same. >> >>No clocks were involved, therefore no times. >> >Try again. The times involved were the travel time of light from various >points in the stellar orbit. Read the literature on this experiment. What was looked for was the following: [1] pulses appearing (arriving on earth) from more than one orbit postition at the same received time, [2] odd eclipses of the binary star system's members, and [3] an apparent orbital eccentricity. Each of these is discussed in detail in Brecher's paper in Phys. Rev. Lett. The point here is: Either you believe in Ritz's emission theory or you accept Brecher's experimental disprove of it. And in either case, the only speed that fits is light's absolute speed. >>>>matter of absolute speeds, both of the light sources and of the light >>>>leaving the sources. All that was looked for was a particular >>>>pattern, a pattern whose origins were light-years away, and in no way >>>>affected by us on earth. Since no observer measured any speed at all, >>>>the speed of the light in this is simply an absolute speed. >>>> >> >>>Absolute's got nothing to do with it. The experiment showed that the light >>>traveled at the same speed, relative to the Earth, no matter what the relative >>>speed of the source. >> >>Dead wrong. Call Mr. Brecher. >> >I stand by my statement. The experiment showed only that the source's movement had no effect upon the speed of the emitted light. No one on earth measured any speed of anything at all. And saying "I stand by my statement" does not prove anything except that you are determined to ignore facts. >>>>And if light has an absolute speed, so does everything else. >>>> >>>>However, this does not mean that we can determine any object's >>>>absolute speed. Mechanical methods fail due to inertia, and optical >>>>attempts have failed due to various reasons. Right now, the earth's >>>>absolute speed could be anything from zero to nearly lightspeed (using >>>>c as light's absolute speed), but we have no way (yet -- but some >>>>think the CBR supplies us with an absolute frame) of determining the >>>>actual value of this absolute earth speed. (We could so it if we could >>>>find a way to start two clocks at the same time, but this, too, has >>>>eluded us). >>>> >> >>>This was one of Poincare's objection's to Lorentz's theories. The same >>>principle (PR) is explained by various hypotheses, depending on the experiment. >>>So, one explanation is given for mechanical tests, another for first order >>>optical, still another for second order optical. Lorentz was able to combine >>>the optical results with his 'corresponding states' and offset time definition. >>>Einstein answers all PR questions by showing that Lorentz' time indicates the >>>need for a new kinematics. >> >>Of course there must be different physical explanations for optical vs >>mechanical. These are totally unalike because light's speed (UNlike >>any inertial object's) is source independent. >We expect different theories to explain different phenomena. But SR allows >us to extend the theories to moving reference systems. Prior to that, >different hypotheses were needed for each theory to explain the failure to >detect motion. >> >>And Einstein's View explains nothing at all. >> >Wrong. Not according to A.I. Miller, Ph.D. in physics, M.I.T. (All I am doing is repeating his written message).Return to Top
briank@ibm.net (Brian Kennelly) wrote[in part]: >In article <56a5l0$ohc@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, >bjon@ix.netcom.com (Brian D. Jones) wrote: >>briank@ibm.net (Brian Kennelly) wrote [in part]: >> >>>In article <563iol$fvv@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>, >>>bjon@ix.netcom.com (Brian Jones) wrote: >>>>odessey2@ix.netcom.com(Allen Meisner) wrote[in part]: >>>>> How about the time span between spacetime events that are dependent >>>>>on an inertial frame that is at absolute rest? Would this give us the >>>>>absolute time? >>>> >>>>Yes, because such an observer's clocks are truly set even by using >>>>Einstein's definition, and further, such clocks are not slowed, being >>>>at absolute rest in space. But of course this time span cannot be >>>>confirmed as the one that's absolute because no one knows which >>>>observer is at rest, if any (or, similarly, no one knows what the true >>>>time span should be). So, it does give us an absolute time reading, >>>>but does not give us absolute time itself for our use. >>>> >>>> >> >>>Another step on the road to understanding relativity. The next is to discard >>>the scaffolding of the absolute frame. You will see that the theory stands >>>without it, and yields the correct answers to any questions about the >>>relationship between moving reference frames. >> >>This is quite funny considering the fact that none of my questions in >>this regard have been answered by the relativists here. Such as why >>two SRT observers obtain different time intervals for two events. >>Once this has been answered, one can see that absolute clock readings >>cause this, and that the clocks were set out-of-true in direct >>proportion to each observer's absolute speed. There are many such >>absolutes in SRT, behind the scenes. >They have been answered many times. Differently moving observers get >different values for intervals because they synchronize their clocks >differently, as you have noted. This synchronization is dependent on the >observers *relative* speeds. A single observer would not get offset clocks >using Einstein's procedure. There's a special type of answer that I meant -- the right one. How can a merely relative difference in synch yield or produce a real or absolute difference in intervals?Return to Top